In this dialogue, Jogen and Hogen reflect on practice, uncertainty, and how to find direction in life. Hogen shares what he would tell his 18-year-old self about confidence and liberation, while Jogen explores non-resistance, yielding to experience, and listening deeply to the body and mind. Together they discuss career choices, not knowing the future, and how Zen practice cultivates discernment, flexibility, and trust in the unfolding of a life.